Ken Coleman | Finding Your Purpose: Insights on Career Fulfillment - Mick Unplugged

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• Episode 18 Transcription

  Mick Hunt: Are you ready to change your habits, sculpt your destiny, and light up your path to greatness? Welcome to the epicenter of transformation. This is Mick Unplugged. We'll help you identify your because so you can create a routine that's not just productive, but powerful. You'll embrace the art of evolution, adapt strategies to stay ahead of the game, and take a a step toward the extraordinary.

  Mick Hunt: So let's unleash your potential. Now, here's Mick.

  Mick Hunt: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Mick Unplugged where we dive deep into what drives success, challenges conventional wisdom, and reveals what makes us the most unstoppable version of us that we can be. And today, I'm honored. I have the privilege of speaking with the master career coach and acclaimed author and the host of one of my favorite shows, no exaggeration, the Ken Coleman Show. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. A person that I look up to and as one of my actual virtual mentors, mister Ken Coleman.

  Mick Hunt: Ken, welcome to the show, my brother.

  Ken Coleman: Oh, man. That is so good. I should probably just quit what I'm doing the rest of the day after this. It just didn't get any better than that setup, but thank you, brother. And, I love how you started that.

  Ken Coleman: You know, the idea of being unstoppable, I think that's absolutely possible, and, we are in much alignment on that. So good to be with you, friend.

  Mick Hunt: Absolutely. I am honored. You know, I listen to I'm not gonna say tons of podcasts, but I listen to a good handful. And I'm gonna be very transparent and completely honest because I've never told you this. And now I get to look you in your eye and tell you this.

  Ken Coleman: Okay.

  Mick Hunt: The very first podcast that I ever listened to in life was Ken Coleman.

  Ken Coleman: Wow. Is that right?

  Mick Hunt: That is a 1000% the truth. And and I wanted to tell you that personally because I've never got the truth.

  Ken Coleman: Crushing it. I mean, this is not I mean, you're crushing it in this space. You really are.

  Mick Hunt: I I think we all have a duty. Right? I think I think we all have a purpose, and I just feel like my purpose is to help inspire if I can and and bring on folks like Ken Coleman that that's what you do. The the show isn't about me. It's it's literally about the audience and the guests that I bring on.

  Ken Coleman: We very much are, in alignment, and, thank you for that. That's very kind. That's crazy. It's kinda wild. Very, very wild for us to now finally, connect this way.

  Ken Coleman: So I gotta get you to Nashville. Next time you're in Nashville, hot meal on me. And if you like Nashville hot chicken, we've got it, brother. We'll throw a little waffle in there, little bit of honey. You know?

  Ken Coleman: And if you don't like that, we'll come up with something else.

  Mick Hunt: There we go. No. I'm I'm game. I don't like the hot. I don't like the hot, but I'll

  Ken Coleman: do too too long. It up. We'll mild it up.

  Mick Hunt: That's right. Go. Just for me.

  Mick Hunt: Just for me.

  Ken Coleman: Well, no. That's an option here in Nashville for those who don't like the heat. You know?

  Mick Hunt: So question for you. This totally has nothing what we're gonna talk about. We're gonna go deep in a second. When did hot chicken become a thing in Nashville?

  Ken Coleman: I don't know. You know, I should know, and I'm never again not gonna be able to answer this question. I'm not sure the actual timeline, but my publicist, Sam, she's amazing, and she's pulling it up right now. So we're actually gonna get that answer, but it's kinda what we're known for, that hot spicy chicken. What is the answer?

  Ken Coleman: 19 thirties. Oh, look at this. She's handed it to me. This is real time, folks. You don't get this anywhere else except for with Mick.

  Ken Coleman: Let's see. Anecdotal evidence. Well, this is cool. The evidence says that, spicy fried chicken has been served in nationals African American communities for generations. The dish is believed to have been introduced as early as the 19 thirties.

  Ken Coleman: However, the current style of spice paste and its Nashville hot chicken is its own kind of unique mix here, Only dates back to the mid 19 seventies. So there you go.

  Mick Hunt: Interesting.

  Ken Coleman: But that's cool. Got a great We'll go

  Mick Hunt: in the next few thirties, 19 seventies.

  Ken Coleman: I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 19 thirties because that sounds better.

  Mick Hunt: There we go. So another true story about Ken Coleman, ladies and gentlemen. I will know. I spent literally crazy layover in Dallas, Texas. I'm sitting there.

  Mick Hunt: Again, I listen to the Ken Coleman show, and this is where I wanna start, Ken, because on the entire flight from Dallas to Raleigh, North Carolina, I listened to 2 of your podcasts on repeat. The 3 daily habits of successful people, which just came out a few weeks ago, but I listened to it. Like, I have so many notes

  Ken Coleman: Mhmm. That's good.

  Mick Hunt: From the fight. And then 96% of millionaires have this in common. I wanna start with the 3 habits

  Ken Coleman: Okay.

  Mick Hunt: Of successful people.

  Ken Coleman: Well, we'll we'll list them quickly, and then we'll break them down. The three habits are they're always learning, they're always doing something with what they've learned, and they're always connecting. So learn, do, connect. If you were gonna just come up with a daily formula that would guarantee your growth and harkening back to the start of the your podcast to make you unstoppable. We can be delayed, but we really can become unstoppable.

  Ken Coleman: And one of the ways that we become unstoppable is just become habitual, create habits of learning, doing, and connecting. So one of the rituals I love to teach folks is every Sunday night, it's a great exercise, to begin to think about your week ahead and just write it down, do an audio note, whatever you wanna do, and and ask yourself, what's the one thing that I really need to learn this week? Now this could be a professional application. This could be personal, could be spiritual, could be physical, could be relational. But what's the one thing that is most important in my life right now, an area where I need some knowledge or some wisdom, knowledge being fact, wisdom being insight.

  Ken Coleman: So what's the one thing you wanna learn? And then the second question, what's the one thing I need to do? This is kind of a crystallization. You know? It's a way of just making the main thing the main thing.

  Ken Coleman: What's the one thing I need to do this week? And then who's one person that I really need to connect with this week? Now this is a formula. This is nothing more than a discipline structure, but I'm thinking about what I need to be learning, what I need to be doing, and who I need to be connecting with. So learn, do, connect, and I could add a 4th one in there that sometimes I do, and I and I think this is the way to cap a great day and that's to reflect.

  Ken Coleman: So learn, do, connect, and reflect. I think if I were gonna add a 4th one, that's something I need to be better at. Frankly, I got 3 teenagers, 2 dogs.

  Mick Hunt: Your soul.

  Ken Coleman: Yeah. That's your soul. And a wife. So towards the end of the day, sometimes, I'm you know? And I think this is how it ought to be.

  Ken Coleman: I think you ought to be spent at the end of every day. I I think if you're getting to the end of your day, it's in the evening, and you still got a lot of juice left, something's wrong with your life. I I mean that. You know, your son's a football coach. He understands this.

  Ken Coleman: You know, I grew up playing sports. I I'm now, you know, almost 50, and I'm working out. I'm in the gym, and I'm watching these videos all the time and, you know, trying to get in the best shape of my life, and so I'm hitting the weights. And one of the things I'm learning is that a good workout is when you finish at exhaustion. So let's just take let's say I'm doing a a bench press.

  Ken Coleman: If I've got dumbbells, a a good solid workout, quality workout is where those last two reps are almost sheer exhaustion. You're barely getting it up. And that was new to me. I didn't realize that, but it makes a lot of sense. And the idea is is that if I'm exhausting the muscle, if I'm going to exhaust in the last two reps or everything I got left, then essentially I am maximizing that muscle growth by getting the most resistance, the most tear down of the muscles so I can build back up.

  Ken Coleman: And and so it's fairly simple in life too. I think that if you are getting at the end of the day and you got a bunch of energy and you can't hit the bed and just kunk, then you need to change your life because you should be spent mentally, spiritually, relationally, physically. You should have nothing left. That's a life well lived. And then I don't mean, like, you know, some of you gotta make sure you hear what I said.

  Ken Coleman: I don't mean to where you're fried. I mean, like, in that workout, that's an intentional workout, and then I got nothing left. And so I have given everything to my family. I've given everything to my job. I've given everything to my creator.

  Ken Coleman: You know, that's the idea. Now I went on a little sermonette there because I need to be better at the reflecting. I'm doing really good at the going to exhaustion and spending well, but, that would be one little nugget I would add in there, and I think it's really powerful. I learned from a mentor of mine, John Maxwell, this idea of ending the day by, you know, thinking back over your day. But that those are the 3 habits, and we could add that 4th one in there of very wealthy, successful people.

  Mick Hunt: Yeah. I love that, and I love the reflection because I talk about that all the time. I end my day with reflection and, more importantly, introspection. Yes. Did I give the most of myself that day?

  Mick Hunt: And then I always ask myself this question last. Did I set tomorrow's version of myself up for success? Because how many it's the little things. It's you know, if I just do this today or tonight, I'm gonna appreciate it tomorrow. It could be something as simple as picking the clothes out that you're gonna wear so you don't have to think about it in the morning.

  Mick Hunt: It could be, you know, taking an extra 5 minutes to study something or to prepare for that first call that you're gonna have or that first meeting that you're gonna have to like, it's the little things that the tomorrow's version of yourself will appreciate because you took just a little bit of time for that. So I'm always about the introspection. You know, did I get the most out of today, and did I set my tomorrow's version up for success? So I love that 4th piece. And then I just wrote down, I highlighted, I circled, and I hope everyone else caught what Kim said too.

  Mick Hunt: Pushing yourself to that last rep, but for a purpose, not just to do it, to be fatigued, to be exhausted, to be done, to have to pass out. Doing it because that's what you meant to do. You meant to push yourself to that level.

  Ken Coleman: Can you do that? I just got another thought. Okay? This little nugget here. We wanna be maxed out, not burned out.

  Ken Coleman: There's a difference. A burned out is somebody who life is happening to them. A person who's maxed out, they're happening to life. Right? So if I'm burned out, it's my life is just everything is coming at me, and I've got no intentionality, and I'm just overwhelmed and all this versus maxed out.

  Ken Coleman: I'm I'm I went to the gym, and I did absolutely every rep I possibly could, and that was a part of the schedule. And I love what you said. That made me think of that. And there's a big difference there in that kind of life.

  Mick Hunt: Humongous. Dude, we could do this all day.

  Ken Coleman: I know. I was thinking the same thing.

  Mick Hunt: We can literally just have a seminar just on that. Like, that's that's crazy. Alright. 2nd episode. 96% of millionaires have this in common, and I want everyone to write this down because it is simple.

  Mick Hunt: It's

  Ken Coleman: It's very simple. They enjoy their work. They enjoy it. There's real joy there. You know, the word joy is something that is different than happiness.

  Ken Coleman: Happiness is a temporary emotion. Joy is a conviction, and so I'll equate it to parenting. There are a lot of times in parenting my 3 kids where I am not anywhere remotely close to happy with them, but I love them, and they bring me joy. And in the midst of the most ridiculous or rebellious thing they've ever done, I can hold disappointment and anger and frustration and also love at the same time, and that's the way I'm describing this. And so the 96% of millionaires said they enjoyed their work.

  Ken Coleman: There was a true joy in it, and that causes a person to be willing to suffer. You know, the word passion also comes to play here. You and I talk about this a lot, and passion over history has kinda morphed into a romantic application. Right? And and even, sexual.

  Ken Coleman: Right? So it's more of that deep emotion for someone from a relational standpoint. But, actually, the root word of passion means to suffer. And and so when you think of, you know, movies like The Passion of the Christ, they use that as an example of what passion really means. And the root word again in the German, in the in in Latin means to suffer.

  Ken Coleman: And so if I am willing to suffer through fear, through doubt, through failure, through rejection, through recession, I can keep going here, and I stay with it. There's something deeper here. So we know we love the work. There's joy there. So that was the big finding from the largest study of millionaires ever done by Ramsey Solutions over 10,000 millionaires.

  Ken Coleman: So that's a that is a piece of data that is rock solid and cannot be moved. So to understand how important is and I teach this. To use what you do best, talent. To do work you love, passion. To produce results that matter to you.

  Ken Coleman: When you understand that your heart's engaged in the work, it's gonna be hard to stop you. And and, oh, boy, by the way, you're probably gonna be very wealthy. Whether you are a teacher who has a deep abiding passion for instructing the next generation, and so therefore, you live on less than you make because the 3rd largest group of net worth millionaires in the United States are teachers. How could that be when the median salary across the United States is about 62, $63,000? What that means is is they have a deep abiding passion.

  Ken Coleman: They are willing to suffer through the crappies public school system, the lack of discipline that they can do, the parents sending them 8 volumes of emails over one little classroom. Whatever. I could go on and on and on. Why do they do it? Why do they suffer all of that?

  Ken Coleman: Why do they suffer making less money? Because they love teaching children. So that's how that comes together, and, boy, you get that. I think it's like turning on that tuning fork inside your chest, and you realize this is what I was wired to do. And and so that's a pretty fun stat I love to throw out there to people.

  Mick Hunt: Oh, I love it. And when I heard that, it made me connect to something that I always tell people about mastery. And I always tell people the first step to mastery is actually loving what you do. Right? You you need to find something that you love and master it.

  Mick Hunt: And I I feel like the reason that a lot of people don't become the unstoppable version of themselves is, number 1, to Ken's point, a lot of times, they're just showing up. There's no passion behind what they do, and then they don't love the things that they do. And so I always tell people the first step to mastery is you need to find something that you love so that you can then master that. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, Ken.

  Ken Coleman: Well, you're absolutely right. You you just put a beautiful bow on what I was saying. Here, let's take the person who wants to master a craft. So we really hear this phrase a lot of master craftsman. And so you think about somebody who's building something by hand.

  Ken Coleman: You just think about the painstaking process, the time, the effort, the gnarled fingers, the injuries, you know, the frustration. That is, again, a deep love of I want to build something from scratch. I'm gonna craft something by hand, and it's intricate. It's intimate. You know, the whole thing, And it's really, really hard, and it takes a long time to master it.

  Ken Coleman: And most of the master craftsmen would look at you and say, I still working on it. And boy, that is beautiful because what's going on there, again, is they love it so much that they're willing to put so much time into it. They're willing to wait on the great results. Now understand this is a waiting is an action here. They're still doing, but they realize, you know, it's gonna take quite honestly more than 10000 hours.

  Mick Hunt: Absolutely. I love it. So now I wanna go to you, Ken. Everything about me, I love Simon Sinek and start with why, but I also feel like there's a deeper sentiment than why. And and I call it your because, Right?

  Mick Hunt: That reason that makes us do what we do. And for you, talking about passion, what was that defining moment or turning point in your life that sparked your passion into helping people find their dreams or their careers?

  Ken Coleman: I grew up in a pastor's home, and so I saw my mom and dad in a very small church. So this is not a megachurch. This is kinda your average size church in America, you know, somewhere between a 100, a 150 people, and I saw them my entire life love and serve everybody. Poor people, wealthy people, every race that you could imagine had stayed in my home in the form of missionaries coming through, you know. So my whole life, there was a a soundtrack or maybe a movie playing in the background, and the theme was that God loved the entire world.

  Ken Coleman: John 316, for God so loved the world. Like, that was a real soundtrack, if you will, in my life, and I saw my mom and dad love and serve everybody. They didn't matter what they look like, what they smelled like. I mean, they just did. So that was kinda cool, and you realize, wow, people matter.

  Ken Coleman: So you come out of that whether you can articulate or not, but you go, people matter to my parents, so I kinda think people matter. And then you go another level, and you go, it's really amazing to watch my mom and dad and the missionaries love on people. So that was that was always there. Now I had a what I thought was a public call into politics at the age of 16. I was very involved in history, and and it was all like, I wanna make America a better place, and I'm gonna do that in the public space.

  Ken Coleman: Well, fast forward, I actually got in the system and and was working for the governor of Virginia at 22. And all of the romanticism of a 16 year old was crushed and and thrown away in both parties. In my mind, it's just it's a cesspool. There are good people in it, not many. And government is not the answer to our problems.

  Ken Coleman: We are actually the answer.

  Mick Hunt: Amen to that.

  Ken Coleman: And, actually, the church should be doing more too, but that's a separate podcast. So all I'm saying here is is that that led me to, at the age of 27, 28, starting to question. I was in private business building a resume that I thought was gonna set me up to run for office somewhere. And then I began to question everything and got to the point where I was like, that's that was not the call. So what was the call?

  Ken Coleman: Now I know that that public call was as a communicator, as a coach. So going through that process is when it was that moment to answer your question and getting to the point of, I thought it was this. It's not the political path, then what is it? It was really unsettling. Because I was, like, laser focused for a long time.

  Ken Coleman: And so then to go, well, that's not that. What is it? And then the process of going back into my own life and doing my own life mapping, and then getting this idea that felt insane, but also so right. Broadcasting, you don't have a college degree. You you don't have any experience.

  Ken Coleman: You're 30. You're too old. You know, you should have been in Red Dirt, Idaho doing the weather when you were 21 if you're gonna you know, all that stuff, and and how in the world is this gonna happen? But also believing that God had put it on my heart. And so it was to answer your question, it would have been, you know, late twenties, early thirties, and it wasn't a moment.

  Ken Coleman: It was a evolution. It was a series of life events and lot of analysis, a lot of sleepless nights that led me to go, okay. There's something here because I'm figuring it out for me. And if I'm figuring it out, there's gotta be a lot of other people who need to figure it out. And so my personal problem became a professional burden.

  Ken Coleman: In solving it for me on my own, then it was like, okay. This is interesting. And that's usually how it happens. You know, my wife has said this before, you know, out of great pain comes tremendous purpose. And so it was a really painful season for me.

  Ken Coleman: And then in in trying to solve it for myself, here I am now solving it for a lot of other people.

  Mick Hunt: And you do it very, very well, just

  Ken Coleman: so that you know.

  Mick Hunt: I know you don't I know you don't like pats on the back, but I promise you, you do it very well.

  Ken Coleman: I appreciate that. Thank you.

  Mick Hunt: Yes, sir.

  Ken Coleman: Well and, you know, to that point, though, you know, the only chance you have at doing something well is back to what we've been talking about is being so convicted that it must be done. And then you you'll stay with it long enough to go from suck to decent. You gotta embrace the suck.

  Mick Hunt: I'm telling you, Ken, I mean, you've said it a lot. We have so much in common. Right? And and and what you just said, it must be done. I tell people change will never happen until change is something that you must have.

  Mick Hunt: Like, people talk about change. You want change. You might put some effort into changing, whatever it is. But until it's something that you must have and until you make it something that you must have, typically, it doesn't happen the way it should or supposed to happen. Freaking love that.

  Mick Hunt: So, again, following you for a very long time, listening, reading. I would love for folks that haven't I shouldn't say that because everybody knows Ken Cole.

  Ken Coleman: Right? No. Not true.

  Mick Hunt: Most people do. One of the things I love about you is is I heard you talk about this a little bit. How does Ken Coleman define success? And then, again, I know the answer, but this is for the listeners. Mhmm.

  Mick Hunt: Is your definition of success determined by traditional metrics, or do you have your own criteria for it?

  Ken Coleman: I think it's my own criteria, but I I don't know that it's not original to me. You know, it's probably a quilt of things that I've learned, and things that I have come to believe. The world defines success by status. Right? So how many followers do I have, or, you know, how big is my name?

  Ken Coleman: The world defines success by power, you know, how powerful am I? And then we also define it by how much money we have. Right? But I think true success is based on achieving significance, and significance is very very personal. So the criteria of that means, if I am being the best version of who I was designed to be, so whether that is a teacher or a doctor, a business person, Can I be honestly the guy who nailed this?

  Ken Coleman: I always come back to Martin Luther King Junior on this, because I don't know anyone outside of Jesus who has ever done a better job of describing what success is, and the challenge to us all. If you've never heard the speech, I think it's the greatest speech he ever gave. Most of you've heard pieces of it. He's known best for the I have a dream speech, and then maybe the speech, I've been to the mountain top the night before he he is shot, and that's in Memphis. But I think the most powerful speech he gave was to a bunch of middle schoolers in Philadelphia.

  Ken Coleman:  And he was asked last minute to stop by a middle school and speak to young African American students, and he did it. And the guy was a master. I mean, the guy's unbelievable order. I own a book of every speech he ever gave, and I read it, and I've got the CD, and I've listened to it because the guy is just, I mean, if you just wanna study the fundamentals of good communication, because he gets he gets credit for being a great order and the power of what he said and what he stood for. But what he doesn't get enough credit for is his actual unbelievable fundamental skill of communicating.

  Ken Coleman: Like, he really was just a master orator. Anyway, he's in the school. And most of you've heard this passage, and I'm gonna paraphrase it because I've got it close to memorize. But he's speaking to these young people, and he says, if it falls your lot to be a street sweeper. Sweep streets like Michelangelo.

  Ken Coleman: You know what he goes through this, and he says, and sweep streets so that all the hosts of heaven looked down and say, there live the greatest street sweeper the world has ever known. And I get goosebumps every time I and, again, I'm paraphrasing it, but it's worth a read. And you can actually find a grainy video of it on YouTube, and it's powerful stuff. So MLK gets it right there. He gets what success really is.

  Ken Coleman: If you were designed and you're really good at being a mechanic, then be the best mechanic possible. And people may never know your name other than the customers that God has put you in their path to help. So to me, success is back to, did I fill the unique role that I was created to fill? And did I fill it to my absolute best? That means you have achieved significance.

  Ken Coleman: And if you do that, then you are successful, whether anybody ever knows your name or not. So that's my definition of success. By the way, I would also say that we've been talking about a professional role, but I think there's 2 roles in life. There's relational and professional. And so because of the way God has designed it, I am a son and a brother, and then I became a husband, and I'm a dad, and I'm a teammate, and I'm a coworker.

  Ken Coleman: I'm a friend. And so there are some, obviously, I need to be my best in those roles too. So that to me is if we fill those roles in our professional and our relational life to the best of our ability, then we are successful despite the other metrics that the world kinda stacks up against us.

  Mick Hunt: The amazing Ken Coleman, brother.

  Ken Coleman: No. You're very kind. Thank you.

  Mick Hunt: I I could go on and on. We're gonna have to do a part 2. Let's do it. And a part 4 because there there's so many places to go. I mean, again, you're someone I look up to.

  Mick Hunt: I meant it when I said I've been following you forever. I look at you as a mentor because a lot of your principles are are some of my principles. And so I wanna thank you for taking the time to bless me for being on the show today.

  Ken Coleman: Well, I'm the one that's blessed, man. You've lifted me. You gave me a little extra juice this morning that I'm gonna use, and I appreciate you and look forward to doing more with you, man.

  Mick Hunt: Absolutely. Where can people find you? Where do you want people to follow you? Yeah. And also the latest book.

  Mick Hunt: Let's let's hit that too. Let's see.

  Ken Coleman: It's right there over the shoulder. It's actually this way. You always hear. What's this? There it is.

  Ken Coleman: There it is. You always get it right. So this is actually the get clear assessment. We didn't talk about it, but this is a 15 to 18 minute assessment. And that small book that comes with it is about a 45 minute coaching session where I guide you through your results.

  Ken Coleman: What is the assessment? It measures what you do best, The work that you love to do. We've been talking a lot about passion today. And then what are the results of work that I actually wanna put into the world? And this speaks to our personal mission.

  Ken Coleman: This is where we get motivation. No one can motivate you. No motivational speaker. No leader. No one.

  Ken Coleman: But you yourself can be naturally motivated when you understand what drives you. And so the assessment gives you a deep report on all three of those, puts the answers together into a professional purpose statement that is effectively, if you would, an airplane looking down 35,000 foot job description for you to go, okay. Well, no matter where I'm at in life as I continue to advance, pivot, or whatever, I can come back to this purpose statement. And if I'm spending the majority of my day doing this, I am in fact doing what I was wired to do. So that's the new book, find the work you're wired to do, but it comes with the assessment.

  Ken Coleman: Really, the assessment is the compass, and then the book itself is I'm gonna guide you up whatever mountain that you're being pointed to. And you can, get the book at kencoleman.com, Amazon, wherever books are sold. And if people wanna connect with me, kencoleman.com is the easiest way because you can get to the social media connections from there. We have a ton of free resources. You can get the show and all of its different platforms there as well.

  Mick Hunt: Awesome. And I'll have links to the book and to Ken's connection into the website and the show notes, and then I'll also make sure I do some drops for you as well. Ken, I appreciate you more than you know. This has been the best moment of my day, and I truly Wow. I truly mean that.

  Ken Coleman: Mick, you're so kind, and you're doing good work. And I I love that I've had some little in eensy teensy weensy, input into that.

  Mick Hunt: Stuff more than that. It wasn't here. It's been here, bro.

  Ken Coleman: Well, I appreciate that. We can argue about that offline, but, man, you're you're you're you're a good man. You're doing really good work. Thanks for having me.

  Mick Hunt: I appreciate you. And to all the listeners, remember, your Because is your superpower. Unleash it.

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